Tuesday, June 5, 2007

"Discussion" with an atheist!

On a discussion board is the stereotypical atheist. He is sure he knows everything. He is terribly anti-Christian, British and extremely liberal. As foolish as it is, I enjoy fussing with him. He had a long post and did brag of quantum physics going to answer the issue of Creation. Some of my friends believe he may be a BBC reporter. He is rather knowledgeable about events, filtered through a flaming liberal screen. Thinking he had some point in answering a previous poster's writing he has this sassy little statement and question. I answered and the answer is my blog post today.

[His question:] "Atheists don't believe in a Creator. Does that help?"

Good of you to ask. If I start with Friedrick Nietzsche, the German philosopher and atheist (he popularized the battle cry of "God is dead"), we find him saying that without the influence of God (and he wanted no part of God) our society would be in disasterous chaos within a few generations. He proposed it would take a "superman" (not the one with a cape flying around with an S on his chest) to take control and forcibly establish a ruling order. Hitler took that atheist's idea to heart! Hitler even gave a book of Nietzsche's writings to Mussolini. Yes, Hitler deemed himself just the superman to estabish the super race. How many millions died? Is it possible to even add up the costs of the destruction and death because Hitler was so gullible as to believe Nietzsche's atheistic theories, i.e., that man was self-sufficient now in the scientific age and didn't need God?

Then to name a few more: There is Stalin, whose murder and death count exceeded Hitler's. Pol Pot was another--both atheists. Okay, okay, yes, one particular brand of Christians killed some people in the Inquisition. Would some atheist please step forward and tell us about that horrible Inquisition in the olden days one more time, while ignoring the uncountable horror of the egotistical self-declared atheist supermen of modern times?

Again, the question: "Atheists don't believe in a Creator. Does that help?" And the answer is: "No! It hasn't helped anyone!" If the multi-millions dead, tortured, maimed and otherwise left with meaningless lives because atheist leaders don't believe in a Creator were able to shout, the roar of their "No" would surely be astounding.

I suppose an atheist quantum physicist can state his theory about matter popping into existence by chance and there would be a group who so want to believe him that they would not think it out for themselves. Something cannot be created out of absolute nothing, not the least speck of dust nor whiff of gaseous elements. That's a scientific principle that has never been proven wrong in any fine modern laboratory. Atheists may think they have crawled out of a slimy pond, but no one else would believe such a---! No, wait! Maybe...maybe atheists really did! On second thought...yes, I can believe that!

5 comments:

Exist-Dissolve said...

Hmmm...if your criterion concerning war, killing, and violence are meaningful, one would have to conclude that belief in a creator has not "helped" much either...

Dustin said...

I assume what Ex-D has in mind is the generic concept of "belief in a creator." That's definitely not enough in and of itself. In fact I would say that there are few people/groups more dangerous than those who are convinced that "God" is on their side, and that this being has given them a blank check for any and all imaginable behavior toward those who don't belong to their "God-honoring" group.

The Mormons' Mountain Meadow Massacre comes to mind as one of the more horrific relatively modern examples of this. God's own Latter-Day warriors slaughtering an entire settlement of men, women, and children -- primarily fueled by the idea that they were God's own Latter-day warriors. And, of course, there were those Allah-fearing men who acted so courageously against the infidels on 9-11-01.

Nope, I think you do pretty much have to believe in the true God of compassion and love and grace in order to not develop into just as dangerous a psychopath as any atheist.

Gringo said...

I trust not many think I got into setting forth a criteria for war, killing, and violence. I exclude no one. We all have more sins than we can handle...without a redeemer, at least. Mine was a quick review of history at a time when man-is-all-there-is and doesn't need a god anyway, and the Bible is all myths and legends was a popular. History bears out that such an atheistic view definitely did not solve the world's problems. As far as governing principles, existentialism and atheism has proven itself to fail.

I firmly agree with mcdust's closing paragraph. Of course, I have my prejudices...everyone does...yet if we expanded this blog to see why I and millions of others think there is no other God but the Christian God, and if the reader (of the Bible and Christian blogs) really tried to reason fairly I'm confident the foundation of our hope would be seen and found established.

Gordan said...

You write of your atheist,

"He is terribly anti-Christian, British and extremely liberal."

It's the unholy Trinity!!

Gringo said...

And the rascal has no sense of ethics--why should he, we all go crazy and turn to dust at the end anyway?

As we go along he invents "facts" to counter a good answer. At last, towards the twilight of my life I've figured out God's purpose for me. I seem to be the one to spend 8-9 hours on a Saturday to answer him and one other questioner. So that's either God's purpose for me or it falls to me by default. I developing a good Christian section in my library. It takes some resources to keep up with the argument--and I may be the only one learning anything.